Dear AIG Sa'p,
As discussed today, for your
information (FYI) on linguistic toponomic interpretation there. Particularly, on
the Magars themselves.
Regards B. K. Rana
Dear All,
Some of my friends including senior
professors have suggested me to circulate this letter again to other
recipients also. I have therefore sent it to your address there. This article
was prepared for a promising young scholar - Mahendra Lawoti, who is doing a
PhD, at the University of Pittsburgh, USA. I hope you will enjoy reading this
letter.20Regards,
B. K.Rana Linguistic Anthropologist
Tel: 479 054
Dear Lawotiji,
1) All Ranas in your list were Magars - I am
confident. I have reasons. Junga Bahadur declared himself a 'Rana' in
about 1910 -1912 BS (I need more time to fix the exact date). Before that he
was Kunwar (Magar?). Therefore, the Ranas in the list were before Junga - or
there were other Rana Magars nearly 1000 years ago (as evidence show us
it, we are trying to figure out more) and they had nothing to do with Rajputs
of the plains ! What I mean here is that there were Rana Magars and Thapa
Magars in Gorkha and Central Nepal
before Junga Bahadur came to power in 1903 BS. They were the political leaders
there. Since all Ranas and Thapas hailed from Gorkha and Central
Nepal - they virtually were none other than Magars by ethnicity.
Bhimsen Thapa was from Gorkha and an individual can't become otherwise when he
comes out from a Magar
Village. This is why
Magars believe him to be a Magar. But, today's elite Thapa
(Chhetris) of Kathmandu and of rural Nepal do not wish to be seen as a
Magar. Because Magars eat pork !!! (But, Pun Magars do not eat any
pork). And also they are impoverished ones having not been able to come to the
mainstream; after the cruel killing of Abhiman Singh Rana Magar, a prominent
figure for prime ministership, in Kot Massacre (1846 AD) and hanging of
Martyr (Magars believe him to be the first Martyr of Nepal) Lakhan Thapa
Magar II in 1933 BS by Junga Bahadur !!! Ram Shah's effort to establish himself
a descendant of Mewad (Chittaur) Household and Junga's similar attempt to be of
the Maharana Pratap pedigree have been lambasted by most historians including
Dor Bahadur Bista ( 1991).
2) In Jyagdi Khola of Syanja District there
were Kunwar Rana Magars at that time. And, we can find some Kunwar Rana
Magars in Syanja district even today. Kunwars of Nepal and Kanwars of Himanchal
Pradesh, India might have some affinity with each other but Junga should be
viewed from =his personal character also. Whelpton (1991: 119) believes Junga
was a Magar.
3) Gorkha was a Magar Kingdom then. There
was a Magar King - Man Singh Khadga Magar. Magars were in majority
therefore they had Magar
Kingdom there. Also there
was rivalry between Man Singh and Ganga Ram. Ganesh Pandey played a crook's
role there. After killing Khadga Raja, Drabya Shah was made king of Gorkha
by Ganga Ram Rana Magar(s) in 1616 BS . But, Bahun historians do not
treat those Magars what they really deserve there. They just write
about Ganesh Pandey and several other Bahuns of Gorkha. Bahun writers offer
Ganesh Pandey more importance than Ganga Ram. Nepali history is written by
Bahuns therefore it only highlights Bahuns and Chhetris. So it is not any
history. This sort of history is distorted history - we claim and should be
rewritten. We expect you will do it from there.
4) There are some problems with the Thapas.
Bhimsen Thapa, Mathabar Singh Thapa, Amar Singh Thapa (Ludwig Stiller
believes Amar Singh, a Magar by ethnicity), Ujir Singh Thapa, Bhakti Thapa and
few other Thapas are boastfully treated
as 'Chhetris' by Thapa Chhetris of today. But, Biraj Thapa Magar gave
shelter and protected Nara Bhupal Shah for 3 months in his home. Have you ever
been to Gorkha Durbar area ? Below Gorkha
Kalika Temple
there is a Thapa Magar Settlement even today and it is the settlement of Kaji
Jaspau Thapa Magar's descendants. Dev Dutta Thapa was also a Magar by
ethnicity. But, I am okay with the convention. I do not want to disgrace
any Thapa Chhetri. Let them be Thapa Chhetris - it won't make any difference
now. For example: we have Durlav Kumar Thapa Magar (former Inspector General of
Police) and Ganesh Bahadur Thapa Magar (Former Governor of Central Bank
of Nepal
). I have heard these two gentlemen feel happier to be treated
as - Thapa Chhetris. It's okay, we don't mind ! We have a number of
Magars in Lalitpur district wearing 'janai' - the so called sacred
thread - across their chest to become 'high class Chhetri' !!
5) In India we may not be able to find any
Thapa Chhetris ( Or if we did, they must have gone from here). But, there
are many Thapa Magars in Deharadoon area. Linguistically too if we
analysed the term THAPA - it gives us a clue that 'Thapa' does not denote any
Chhetri of Nepal. In Sino-Tibetan language "Tha" means 'of Mongolia or of
that area' and 'pa/ba' mean 'man/peoples'. Pa and ba are bilabial and
phonetically similar in their origin. Rana and Ale surnames of Magars have
their meanings in them. But, what would the term "Thapa" mean if we
tried to find it from Thapa Chhetris' viewpoint ? I mean what would it mean in Khas
Kura ? Nothing will it mean - we know !!!
6) To add to the point 1 above,
I have here something more. Asthasahasrika Pragyaparmita is believed to be one
of the most important treatises in Bouddha literature. This treatise was
translated into Sanskrit by Subarnakar Rana Magar of Gulmi in Nepal Sambat 119
( that is 1056 Bikram Sambat or 999 AD). Similarly the book was again
translated into Sanskrit by Ganga Rana Magar of Lamjung in Nepal Sambat 189 (
1125 BS or 1068 AD ). The idea here is that there were Rana Magars in Central
Nepal before the Muslim Invasion in India in 11th,14th and 16th centuries.
So I do not think those Rana Magars had anything to do with the Rajputs
of India.
7) Of our Thapa Magars, I have
here little bit toponomic linguistic interpretation. In Tibetan
language man is called both 'pa' and 'mi'. In Dolkha District, Central Nepal there are 'Thami' peoples {Tha+Mi}. And,
in Darchula near Taklakot ( in Tibet)
there live Shaukas. These Shaukas themselves call 'Rongs' and others call
them 'Rongpas' {Rong+Pa}. In Gorkha there is a Village Development
Committee - 'Lho' and peoples there are known as 'Lhopas' {Lho+Pa} and
the indigenous peoples in Upper Mustang are also called 'Lhopas or
Lhobas' . In Solukhumbu live 'Sherpas>Syarpas' {Syar+Pa}. The peoples in Kham Province, Tibet are called 'Khampa' {Kham+Pa}
. Sikkim
is called 'Denzon' in Tibetan language and Sikkimese are also called
'Denzonpas' {Denzong+Pa}. The peoples of Bhutan are also called 'Lhobas'
{Lho+Bas}. And, some peoples in Upper Gorkha
are also called 'Nupripas' {Nupri+Pa}.
8) Thapa Magars in this context seem to be
very closely associated with 'Thamis' of Dolkha district. Both [Tha + Mi] and
[Tha + Pa] are distinctly similar. 'Tha' also means 'border' and 'pa and
mi' mean 'man/people'. The peoples from 'borderland' are 'Thapas' or 'Thamis'. So,
Thapas are from Tibetan border. It is therefore, the classical 'Ranas' and
'Thapas' are not Chhetris in the Hindu casteism.
9) Rong in Tibetan language is 'warmer
place' i.e. peoples of warmer areas are 'Rongpas'. Shaukas live in relatively
warmer places than in Tibet.
Likewise, 'Lho' is 'to the south' or peoples in the South from Tibet are
'Lhopas/Lhobas' and 'Nupri' in Tibetan means 'to the west' >
'Nupri+Pa' 3D peoples of west. Gorkha lies in the west from Shyarkhumbu > Solukhumbu, Sikkim
or even Kham Province
in Tibet.
In Solukhumbu live 'Sherpas>Syarpas' {Syar+Pa} - ( Syar > east and Pa
> man 3D peoples in =the east). Therefore, Thapas in your list should be
treated as Magars; if you are really writing also in favour of ethnic peoples
in the country.
10) Have you ever gone through Prof. Bikram
Jit Hasrat's 'History of Nepal' or of Rishikesh Shah and even D. R. Regmi
? Kapardar Kalu Khadga Magar loaned King Prithivi Narayan Rs. 4000.00
(Four Thousand) nearly 260 years ago. ( Please check the value of money
which was never paid =back). But, what his descendants have received from King
Prithivi's descendants today ? They have 'vigorously' insulted Khadga Magars in
the "Gorkha Vanshabali" - the one and only authoritative (?) version
of genealogy of Kings of Nepal. They even rewarded a Bahun writer - Bhim Nidhi
Tiwari by name - to write a 'khattam' sort of drama 'Shilanyash' and
prescribed it for school/college/university curricula. In this 'Shilanyash'
King Khadga Magar(s) and Magar culture have been terribly criticized.
What I mean here is that any culture is great for the concerned peoples. So,
you can't ethnocentrically judge others culture and criticize it.
11) I am not knowing whether you are
concerned over only the Magar Leaders as stated in Mahesh Regmi's time-frame or
you would be willing to know more about other Magars of Gorkha Kingdom ?
Regmi does not write a single word for Bada Kaji Sarvajit Rana Magar or Kaji
Jayant Rana Magar. ( Because Regmi happens to be a Bahun by casteist ideology. However,
he was awarded Megashese Award, we believe him to be a Bahunbadi writer ). We
may find few sketchy lines on Ganga Ram Rana in Gorkha Vanshabali also. We have
there Lakhan Thapa Magar I, who ruled Gorkha at least for 4 months when Ram Shah
was in penance. The insult terribly loaded to Khadga Magar Raja in the
Vanshabali is to suppress the whole Magar community - we understand. The
Bahuns and Chhetris wanted to morally weaken the indigenous peoples of
the land so that they might easily rule over them.The Magars as well as other
ethnic groups of peoples today understand it quite clearly. 2012) If you
need more on the other Magars or even Gurungs and their contributions
to the making of modern Nepal;
I would be very happy to send their account should you offer them due
importance in your work. Because you have not mentioned Kaji Ram Krishna Thapa
Magar, Sardar Pyuhar Rana Magar, Kaji Narshing Gurung, Buddi Bal Rana Magar
etc. King Prithivi flayed Kaji Jayant Rana Magar alive. The first Bada
Kaji in Nepalese history Sarvajit Rana Magar was hacked to death in Kumari Ghar
by Bahadur Shah falsely accusing that the former had unwanted affair with the
Widow Queen Mother. General Abhiman Singh Rana Magar was killed by Junga
in Kot Massacre etc. etc.
12) Well, I have some 'Lal Mohars'
in this respect and if you need I would be very happy to send copies of
them to you for further verification.
Sincerely
Rana
Kunwars or Ranas have no genetic links. Magars are linked with Mogoloids.
ReplyDeleteNow it seems m.r hazur will tell us what's the history about kunwar and magar.please go ahead with your shit full of explanation.
DeleteSurnames like 'Rana' , 'Kunwar' , 'Chautaria' etc. are a product of Sanskritisation of Nepali community due to Hindu influence. For example the surname 'Sen' is also used by Bengalis from India.
DeleteNumber of Ranas & Thapas in magar community is high than others and Sen was not derived from Bengalis It was derived from Sheng . Sheng & Khan Dyansty were there over Bara & Athara Mangarat . Shinto Sati Sheng was a magar king of Sikkim before Bhotis/ Tibetans controlled .
DeleteSen word of Nepal is generally found in both magar and thakuri community and Thakuri of Gandaki anchal looks like magar where other thakuris seems so aryan strain . Kul Mandir Alam mandir of Shah dynasty in Syangja have a magar preist . Ancestors of Shah were Micha Khan & Khancha Khan where these words are magar words and Khan in magar language mean King .
Shah Dyansty claimed to be Rajput of India who conquered Mangrat and Tamuwan which makes them Sarnarathi & Lutera 😆 If not then actual history should be mentioned .
If Jung is was a magar, Balbhadra should be too. Okay, I agree for a second, all the elite Thapas were magars. What about Basnet, Pandey, Bhandari, Karki, Rayamajhi? ARe you just implying Baral, Lamichane, Bhusal bahuns are magars too?
DeleteNice article..the conspiracy runs deep..very informative
ReplyDeletejust for your magar culture you are penetrating the history with ass full of shit.not having single reformable exact analaysis his sons and daughters or so many are still alive insted why dont you ask them what culture fairly u and your ansestor followed.
ReplyDeleteYou assole bahun..Chettri or whatever shit caste you belong to,first of all its your shit fugitive communities which penetrated into nepal when driven away by the mughals from your motherland,so its better you asked your father or mother that are you a fair son of theirs or illegitimate one.
DeleteWhy is there so much hatred between Chhetri-Bahuns and Kiratas/Magar/Gurungs? We are all Nepalis first , you fools!
DeleteSuraj Rana you are hateful. ARe you saying khas aka chhetris came as refugees to Nepal? I challenge you to show magar history as old as of western Nepal's khas. We khas aka chhetris are proved to be living in the mid and far west Nepal since 10th century (Proven facts in Dailekh and Jumla). Do you know when mughals came to India?
DeleteYup..I'm kunwar rana magar and junga bahadur is a magar before converting himself as rana(Chettri)
ReplyDeleteJung Bahadur's ancestors came from Jumla before they arrived to Kaski then to Gorkha. You are just coming to conclusion based on similarity of surnames. Jumli khadka, a khas, came to Kaski and became Kunwar. Remember King Surendra insulting Jung saying Khas.
DeleteIf you claim all the Thapas and Kunwars/ Ranas as magars, then why you act as victimized by Chhetris. Do you know how much of brutality Thapas have done in Jumla? If those Thapas were magars then we must say Khas aka chhetris were murdered and oppressed by Magars. You should stop crying about chhetris oppressing you.
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ReplyDeleteHow Magar got hindu names like Ram Krishna Magar, etc.. Lol!
ReplyDeleteBecause Magars are also Hindus , U idiot!
DeleteBcoz Bauns had ruined their culture ...
DeleteBecause Vedic aryans entered with different ideology who made Khas aryan of Far Western a hindu and project hinduization was brought as tool to bring non vedic people into hindu vedic fold so they could run the Indigenous country . They related their gods with our nature worshipping belifes . This is how actually works either you make someone believe on what you believe or enslave them . Most indigenous were categorised as non salvable so they made us to believe on godfairy tales ..
DeleteFacts do not add up here. The original post says Subarnakar Rana magar used Sanskrit in 999 AD, 10th century. Now others are saying Magars got hinduized and bore Hindu name after the arrival of plain brahmins in Nepali hill ca. 14th century.
DeleteThe term 'Chhetri' does not mean a particular Khas group. It is only the Nepali version of the Sanskrit word 'Kshatriya.' So Khas , Magar and Gurung were all Chhetris once as they were the armies of Prithvinarayan Shah.Today only the Khas have monopolised the Chhetri status. Jai Mahakali!
ReplyDeleteYou can't say Chettri , Thakuris is much better in nepal . Khas over Far western , Magar Gurung Mid western Newar Tamang Central Nepal Rai Limbu East
DeleteTharu and Madhesi over the Terai ,
Khas are present day Chhetris. What are you trying to say by sparating khas and chhetris? Majority of jharro chhetris are of khas root.
DeleteVery simple after going through the history most of the magar with surname thapa and rana converted into chettri by accepting tagadhari are now known to be thapa chettri and rana chettri.so its very much clear that junga bahadur was a rana magar before the conversion.
ReplyDeleteCan anybody enlighten me with the history of matwala khas as they are not tagadhari but still considered to be chettri
ReplyDeleteMatwali khas are unconverted khas. They have surname, culture, and rituals as of chhetris (converted khas) but do not wear janai and do not eat pork but drink liquor. Gorkhali king Man Singh Khadka was a matwali khas. Matwali khas fall into martial race classification of British along with Khas aka Chhetri.
DeleteWho are sen magars then????
ReplyDeleteOne more thing,when chettri and thakuris are considered as kshatriyas in nepal then how come they are not recruited in british army,why only magar gurung and kiratis are chosen for the role.
ReplyDeleteThis shows your level of knowledge. I almost fell to your post of all Thapa, Kunwar, Khadka, Burathoki being magars (BTW, whose population is bigger? Afore said Chhetris or Magars? That would tell you which community these surnames originally belonged to). Read here about Chhetris in your prestigious British army: https://www.quora.com/Are-Khas-people-a-martial-race
DeleteBTW, I know khas aka chhetris and magars lived in the same homeland for thousands of years and exchanged culture and surnames too. Khasan, that extended from Garhwal to Gandaki had both khas and magar soldiers. Magars that lived in khas dominant area become khas and khas that lived in magar dominant area became magar (Burathoki, Khadka, Kunwar, etc.)
Also, read martial race classification of Nepali ethnic group by britishers. Khas are numbered at 1.
STUPID IDEOLOGY DEVELOPED BY PEOPLE WHO CONNECT MAGAR RANA'S WITH RANAS ( JUNGA B FAMILY). HOWEVER PEOPLE WHO SAY THAT, SHOULD REMEMBER THAT , "RANA" IS A TITLE ALLOTTED TO JUNGA B. 'RANA' IS A TITLE AND KUNWAR IS THEIR SURNAME???? OH BUT I CAN 100% SAY THAT NUMEROUS RANAS HAD MAGAR CONCUBINES, AND HAD GIVEN THEM TITLE OF " NANISAB"
ReplyDeleteWe magar indigenous doesn't need to claim your Junge to be Magar Because Rana Dyansty is a black history of Nepal who destroyed history , cultures , languages of Indigenous and Brought a Muliki Ain which brought more discriminations in nepali society
DeleteProbably your femal ancestors were Thulonansaiba , most favourite concubies of Shah Raja.
DeleteJung Bahadur's ancestors came from Jumla and bore Khadka surname. They became Kunwar in Kaski and Rana later.
DeleteFor your kind information doctor ji,magar earned the title of rana 300 years back before junga been conffered with this royal title.so junga and their descendant are not real ranas instead they are kunwar,so don't consider yourself as a real ranas.oops... one more thing before junga came to power,shah king favourite concubine were kunwar and they were called as 'Thulonanisab'.no offence but its a secret fact.
ReplyDeleteDoing great work bro...I m happy you collected a lot of source in Rana Magar history.. I think since I found your blog posts here in google , I’m so glad I ws thinking I don’t want myself associated with jung but there must be hidden story behind Jung
DeleteIf Rana, Kunwar and Thapa are originally Magar and they have zero influence from Rajput surname, what about Chauhan, Samal Magars? Timi kutarka gardai chhau sathi.
ReplyDeleteBy the way how historian are claiming that maski rana clan of magar are actually a matwala khas.
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